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00:01:18,833 --> 00:01:20,You ready?

00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:23,No, just... Yeah, just-just
ignore the microphone.

00:01:23,732 --> 00:01:25,Yeah, just-just act as if
it's not there.

00:01:25,741 --> 00:01:28,Sing as if it's not there.

00:01:28,441 --> 00:01:32,Yeah...

00:01:40,389 --> 00:01:41,Okay?

00:05:45,164 --> 00:05:47,- Ready for them?
- Yes.

00:05:47,262 --> 00:05:48,Let's go.

00:05:56,204 --> 00:05:58,If you're here,
then you already know

00:05:58,448 --> 00:06:00,who she is, and that is one
of the most important

00:06:00,884 --> 00:06:03,musical figures of our time.

00:06:03,282 --> 00:06:05,Lydia Tár is many things:

00:06:05,346 --> 00:06:08,A piano performance graduate
at the Curtis Institute,

00:06:08,782 --> 00:06:11,Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard.

00:06:11,287 --> 00:06:15,She g***t her PhD in Musicology
from the University of Vienna,

00:06:15,463 --> 00:06:17,specializing in
the indigenous music

00:06:18,059 --> 00:06:20,of the Ucayali Valley
in Eastern Peru,

00:06:21,036 --> 00:06:22,where she spent five years

00:06:23,071 --> 00:06:24,among the Shipibo-Konibo peopl.

00:06:25,066 --> 00:06:28,As a conductor,
Tár began her career

00:06:28,703 --> 00:06:29,with the Cleveland Orchestra,

00:06:30,070 --> 00:06:31,one of the so-called "Big Five."

00:06:31,677 --> 00:06:33,A string of
important posts followed,

00:06:33,976 --> 00:06:36,including
the Philadelphia Orchestra,

00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:37,the Chicago Symphony Orchestra,

00:06:37,844 --> 00:06:39,the Boston Symphony Orchestra,

00:06:39,186 --> 00:06:40,until she at last arrived here

00:06:41,091 --> 00:06:44,at our own
New York Philharmonic.

00:06:44,191 --> 00:06:45,With the latter, she organized

00:06:45,658 --> 00:06:48,the Highway refugee concerts in Zaatari,

00:06:48,265 --> 00:06:52,which were attended
by over 75,000 people.

00:06:52,665 --> 00:06:54,She's become particularly
well-known

00:06:54,337 --> 00:06:56,for commissioning
contemporary work

00:06:56,165 --> 00:06:59,from, among others,
Jennifer Higdon, Caroline Shaw,

00:06:59,374 --> 00:07:01,Julia Wolfe
and Hildur Gudnadóttir.

00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:04,And she's made a point
of programming their works

00:07:05,006 --> 00:07:07,alongside composers
of the canon.

00:07:08,083 --> 00:07:09,She's been quoted as saying,

00:07:09,518 --> 00:07:12,"These composers
are having a conversation

00:07:12,354 --> 00:07:15,and it may not always
be so polite."

00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:17,Lydia Tár has also written
music for the stage and screen.

00:07:17,958 --> 00:07:22,She is in fact one of only so-called EGOTs, meaning those

00:07:22,697 --> 00:07:26,who have won all four
major entertainment awards:

00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:30,An Emmy, a Grammy,
an Oscar and a Tony.

00:07:30,699 --> 00:07:32,It is, as you can imagine,

00:07:32,276 --> 00:07:34,an extremely short
and shimmering list

00:07:34,741 --> 00:07:37,that includes Richard Rodgers,
Audrey Hepburn,

00:07:37,910 --> 00:07:41,Andrew Lloyd Webber
and, of course, Mel Brooks.

00:07:45,719 --> 00:07:48,In 2010, with
the support of Eliot Kaplan,

00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:51,she founded the Accordion
Conducting Fellowship,

00:07:52,057 --> 00:07:54,which fosters entrepreneurship
and performance opportunities

00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:58,for female conductors,
allowing them residencies

00:07:58,301 --> 00:08:01,with major orchestras
around the world.

00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:06,In 2013, Berlin elected Tár
as its principal conductor,

00:08:06,339 --> 00:08:08,in succession to Andris Davis,

00:08:08,937 --> 00:08:11,and she's remained there
ever since.

00:08:11,906 --> 00:08:13,Like her mentor,
Leonard Bernstein,

00:08:13,745 --> 00:08:16,Tár has a particular
affinity for Mahler,

00:08:16,912 --> 00:08:18,whose nine symphonies
she recorded

00:08:19,087 --> 00:08:21,during her Big Five stints.

00:08:22,149 --> 00:08:23,However, she never managed
to complete

00:08:23,857 --> 00:08:27,the so-called "cycle" with
a single orchestra until now.

00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:28,Under her direction,

00:08:28,993 --> 00:08:30,Berlin has recorded eight
of the Mahler symphonies,

00:08:31,093 --> 00:08:33,saving the big one,
Symphony No. 5, for last.

00:08:33,930 --> 00:08:35,Due to the pandemic,
that performance,

00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,which was scheduled for
last year, had to be canceled.

00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:40,But I'm told that next month,

00:08:40,608 --> 00:08:43,she'll make a live recording
of Mahler's Fifth,

00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:44,which will complete the cycle

00:08:44,942 --> 00:08:48,and will be issued in a box set
by Deutsche Grammophon

00:08:48,614 --> 00:08:50,just in time
for Mahler's birthday.

00:08:50,785 --> 00:08:54,As if that's not enough,
her new book, Tár on Tár,

00:08:54,656 --> 00:08:58,will be published by Nan
Talese's imprint at Doubleday,

00:08:58,452 --> 00:09:01,just in time for Christmas,
a perfect stocking stuffer,

00:09:01,629 --> 00:09:03,especially if you have
a very large stocking.

00:09:05,566 --> 00:09:07,All of us at The New Yorker
welcome you.

00:09:07,238 --> 00:09:08,Thank you for joining us,
Maestro, today.

00:09:09,071 --> 00:09:10,Thank you, Adam. Thank you.

00:09:10,898 --> 00:09:13,Thank you.

00:09:14,702 --> 00:09:16,Lydia, I couldn't...

00:09:16,744 --> 00:09:19,I couldn't help but see you
flinch just a little bit

00:09:20,082 --> 00:09:21,as I was reading your bio.

00:09:21,715 --> 00:09:23,Was it because I forgot
some other amazing achievement?

00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:26,Or do you have
a slight self-consciousness

00:09:26,322 --> 00:09:28,about the incredibly
varied things

00:09:28,486 --> 00:09:30,that you've accomplished?

00:09:30,526 --> 00:09:35,Well, in today's world,
"varied," it-it's a dirty word.

00:09:35,661 --> 00:09:37,I mean,
our era is one of specialists,

00:09:37,764 --> 00:09:40,and if you're trying to do
more than one thing,

00:09:40,699 --> 00:09:42,it's, you know,
it's often frowned upon.

00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:43,Every artist gets typecast.

00:09:44,106 --> 00:09:45,Oh, yes. Aggressively so.

00:09:45,607 --> 00:09:47,Well, do you think there'll be
a moment, though,

00:09:47,512 --> 00:09:49,when the classical music
community,

00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:52,decides not to use
sexual distinctions

00:09:53,016 --> 00:09:55,to differentiate artists?

00:09:55,186 --> 00:09:57,I'm probably
the wrong person to ask

00:09:57,386 --> 00:09:59,since I don't read reviews.

00:09:59,847 --> 00:10:01,- Never, really?
- No.

00:10:01,416 --> 00:10:05,But it is odd, I think,
that anyone ever felt compelled

00:10:05,626 --> 00:10:08,to substitute
"maestro" with "maestra."

00:10:08,599 --> 00:10:11,I mean, we don't call women
astronauts "astronettes."

00:10:11,929 --> 00:10:13,Right.

00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:17,But as to the question
of gender bias,

00:10:17,473 --> 00:10:19,I really have nothing
to complain about.

00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:23,Nor, for that matter, should
Marin Alsop, JoAnn Falletta,

00:10:23,204 --> 00:10:25,Laurence Equilbey
and Nathalie Stutzmann.

00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,I mean, there's so many
incredible women

00:10:28,248 --> 00:10:29,who came before us.

00:10:29,716 --> 00:10:32,You know, women who did
the-the real lifting.

00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:33,That-that's fascinating.

00:10:33,387 --> 00:10:35,Can you... Who, for instance?

00:10:35,385 --> 00:10:36,Okay, sure.

00:10:36,623 --> 00:10:38,First and foremost,
Nadia Boulanger.

00:10:38,824 --> 00:10:41,I mean, that would be
the happy example.

00:10:41,793 --> 00:10:44,The sad one would be
Antonia Brico,

00:10:45,062 --> 00:10:47,who by all accounts
was an incredible conductor

00:10:47,966 --> 00:10:51,but was ghettoized
into the nonglamorous status

00:10:51,337 --> 00:10:53,of a "guest conductor"

00:10:53,409 --> 00:10:56,and essentially
treated as a dog act.

00:10:56,313 --> 00:10:58,A dog...
She never g***t the chance

00:10:58,576 --> 00:10:59,to lead a major orchestra?

00:10:59,745 --> 00:11:01,Well, yes. Yes, she did conduct

00:11:01,816 --> 00:11:04,the Berlin Philharmonic,
as well as the Met,

00:11:04,245 --> 00:11:07,but, again,
only as a guest conductor.

00:11:07,414 --> 00:11:09,You know, at, I mean,
at that time it was...

00:11:09,257 --> 00:11:11,it was all gender spectacle.

00:11:11,524 --> 00:11:13,But fortunately, times...