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When I think of science fiction,
I think of stories in any medium
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that tell us what we could be
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and warn us about where we're going.
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Every piece
of science fiction
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that I enjoy works as pure entertainment,
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and it also works as a social commentary,
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philosophy or inspirational ideas.
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It was always a genre that carried with it
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a sense of taking the
temperature of its own times.
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It's a ripe genre,
it's full of interesting
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twists and offshoots.
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I can get you diseases.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
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There are so many sub-genres
that are available to us
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and I think really give
this kind of rich landscape.
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Science fiction storytelling
exists from the beginning
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of film-making,
and persists through
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two centuries.
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Images
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that we see in cinema
today are built on images from movies
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like 2001, A Space Odyssey,
Metropolis and Things to Come.
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In the '50s,
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sci fi was an extension of science,
and science was all about the atom,
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and the atom was all about,
they're going to blow us up
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or we're going to have a wonderful future
because of our friend the atom.
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The people doing these
science fiction films in the '80s,
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they cut their teeth on '50s sci fi,
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but what they did is they said,
we love sci fi for what it represents.
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The post atomic scare that stimulated
so many of these low budget Saturday
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matinee type movies.
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They really impacted us as children.
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But in a different way than
films now in the '70s,
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films tend to be more socially conscious,
more artistically presented.
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But let's take a B movie
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and just do it as though we're doing
an art film, without a happy ending.
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The twist towards the dark, nihilistic sci fi,
I think, was largely a response against
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technology, government, war,
especially in the Vietnam era.
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A lot of those dystopian films
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were warning about global warming
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and the arms race.
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You maniacs!
You blew it up!
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Things that I think made
people feel very small
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and very out of control.
And that seems to really be
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what science fiction is about
until Star Wars.
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The whole tone of science fiction
and films really changes
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with Lucas and Spielberg
in the '70s and '80s,
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and it starts showing us the
positive possibilities in our world
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as opposed to constantly warning us
about all the ways we're messing up.
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Spielberg said,
"Can't we go back to what
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"I grew up with, which is the beauty
of sci fi and imagination?
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"Let's not dwell on the corrupting
influence of technology."
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For the next decade
or so across the '80s,
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that amalgamation of science, fiction,
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and fantasy,
seemed to be the driving force.
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Science fiction became direct,
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straightforward, provocative, clear.
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Any idea that anybody had
if you set it on another planet or
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set it in the future, set it in dystopia,
you could get the money to do it.
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Now, sci fi was viable box office.
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And now the studios are
throwing money at the genre
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and you're getting the best filmmakers
and the best actors,
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and they have the funds
to take you to other places.
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Sci fi truly came of age and exploded
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in the '80s.
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We are creating machines
that mimic human behavior.
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The human body, human intelligence.
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In Saturn 3, you see
the bio-mimicry of Hector,
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the machine taking on its human
creator's ideas and psychopathy.
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Certainly, the way Saturn 3 was sold,
leaned heavily on Alien, robots, science.
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All that kind of stuff, but it leaned
even more heavily on Farrah Fawcett
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and that absolutely stunning smile of hers,
in the fact that all of us
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were enamored of Farrah
from Charlie's Angels.
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I had that poster,
everybody had that poster.
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And the idea that Farrah Fawcett
might be wearing something s***y or
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nothing at all, definitely g***t my
young self out to see Saturn 3.
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The movie you g***t, however,
was a completely different movie.
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You're quite an event in our lives.
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Well, I guess you don't
get many drop-ins on Saturn 3.
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Hardly ever,
especially not from earth.
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We are on a space station that is slick,
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and designed and shiny and colorful,
and all the edges are smoothed out.
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All of the ideas
that might have been initiated
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by Alien are gone by the time you get
to the finished product of Saturn 3.
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We get to see
Kirk Douglas naked a lot,
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but not Farrah Fawcett.
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That was kind of
forward thinking.
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Doesn't it disgust you
to be used by him?
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To be touched by an old man?
Can't you feel the decay?
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The notion that he wanted
to express his virility,
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that he's still a leading man,
that he was still an action star.
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Kirk Douglas was very particular about that.
About that in terms
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of the notion of men,
of male movie stars and actors
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and the way that they
should come off in film.
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Abort!
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Glad you didn't ask
him to shake hands.
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It's a complicated film, you g***t
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you g***t Stanley Donen,
the Singin' in the Rain director, directing
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this sort of science fiction opera
with this crazy, oversexed robot.
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No! No! No!
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He's probably not the
right director for that.
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The production designer, John Barry,
he was probably the correct person.
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The scenario was based on his stories.
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But Kirk didn't like John and so g***t him
fired and had Stanley Donen hired.
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So you have Kirk Douglas, who doesn't
like John Barry. He gets rid of him.
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And then you have Stanley Donen,
who doesn't like Harvey Keitel's voice.
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Now we have this weird
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sort of quasi British voice
coming out of Harvey Keitel's face.
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Why won't you talk?
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Why not? What have
I done wrong?
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All of these decisions just sort of led
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to something of a mess of a movie,
except for Farrah Fawcett.
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Kudos to
Farrah Fawcett
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for dealing with all those boys
and what was going on there.
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It just didn't seem to connect
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with the bigger universe
in the way that the Star Wars films had....
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